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	<title>Comments for Wisconsin Union Blend</title>
	<link>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org</link>
	<description>A place to gather and talk about learning and teaching with technology at UW-Madison.</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Wordle WUB by Cheryl</title>
		<link>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/06/16/wordle-wub/#comment-142</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/06/16/wordle-wub/#comment-142</guid>
		<description>I'm consulting with a faculty member who works with her students tell their family stories. From the student's stories themes begin to develop. These themes are then related to the course readings and are discussed. It seems that if the students stories were input into Wordle it would be an interesting way to visually see the developing themes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m consulting with a faculty member who works with her students tell their family stories. From the student&#8217;s stories themes begin to develop. These themes are then related to the course readings and are discussed. It seems that if the students stories were input into Wordle it would be an interesting way to visually see the developing themes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wordle WUB by Sarah</title>
		<link>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/06/16/wordle-wub/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/06/16/wordle-wub/#comment-138</guid>
		<description>I've been really interested in this too!  I've been putting reports I've written in there (e.g. grant reports) and seeing what comes up.  It seems like an interesting alternative to the executive summary, which no one reads any more than the four people who read the reports.  Not sure if it means much, but it's nice to look at it all on one page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been really interested in this too!  I&#8217;ve been putting reports I&#8217;ve written in there (e.g. grant reports) and seeing what comes up.  It seems like an interesting alternative to the executive summary, which no one reads any more than the four people who read the reports.  Not sure if it means much, but it&#8217;s nice to look at it all on one page.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wordle WUB by Delaney Kirk</title>
		<link>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/06/16/wordle-wub/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>Delaney Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/06/16/wordle-wub/#comment-136</guid>
		<description>I'm thinking wordle would make a fun exercise for reviewing for exams.  The students could develop their own in their groups and then share with the class and explain what they know.  Students could also use for short presentations rather than using powerpoint.  Would solve the problem of slides with too much wording.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thinking wordle would make a fun exercise for reviewing for exams.  The students could develop their own in their groups and then share with the class and explain what they know.  Students could also use for short presentations rather than using powerpoint.  Would solve the problem of slides with too much wording.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wordle WUB by doug</title>
		<link>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/06/16/wordle-wub/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/06/16/wordle-wub/#comment-135</guid>
		<description>Very true (though I'd have to quibble with the "quality of the writing" bit!). There is certainly a "personal language" element to these Wordle pics.

I also think your comment on "balance" is insightful. These pics seem to provide some small insight into the relative balance between concepts or ideas.

But, ultimately, as you say, they are mostly just a fun curiosity.

And in that spirit, here's one more:


&lt;a href="http://wordle.net/gallery/2008_Horizon_Report" title="2008 Horizon Report" rel="nofollow"&gt;The 2008 Horizon Report&lt;/a&gt;


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true (though I&#8217;d have to quibble with the &#8220;quality of the writing&#8221; bit!). There is certainly a &#8220;personal language&#8221; element to these Wordle pics.</p>
<p>I also think your comment on &#8220;balance&#8221; is insightful. These pics seem to provide some small insight into the relative balance between concepts or ideas.</p>
<p>But, ultimately, as you say, they are mostly just a fun curiosity.</p>
<p>And in that spirit, here&#8217;s one more:</p>
<p><a href="http://wordle.net/gallery/2008_Horizon_Report" title="2008 Horizon Report" rel="nofollow" onClick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/wordle.net');">The 2008 Horizon Report</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Wordle WUB by Ron</title>
		<link>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/06/16/wordle-wub/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/06/16/wordle-wub/#comment-134</guid>
		<description>These are fun to look at and get a sense of how balanced or unbalanced your particular blog, bookmarks or CV is, but it doesn't really capture the quality of your writing. I know that many of your posts are written well with lots of thought put into them, but then there are our post-blurbs and link-blurbs that, while useful, are not all that provocative.

Also, these Wordles use language that are either specific to a small group of people (in some cases, just you) or are so general that you don't know what they truly mean.  

I do think you should print out the WUB Wordle in poster size and get it framed. Put it on that back wall in your office! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are fun to look at and get a sense of how balanced or unbalanced your particular blog, bookmarks or CV is, but it doesn&#8217;t really capture the quality of your writing. I know that many of your posts are written well with lots of thought put into them, but then there are our post-blurbs and link-blurbs that, while useful, are not all that provocative.</p>
<p>Also, these Wordles use language that are either specific to a small group of people (in some cases, just you) or are so general that you don&#8217;t know what they truly mean.  </p>
<p>I do think you should print out the WUB Wordle in poster size and get it framed. Put it on that back wall in your office! :)</p>
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		<title>Comment on EduPunk - all sold out? by doug</title>
		<link>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/06/05/edupunk-all-sold-out/#comment-132</link>
		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/06/05/edupunk-all-sold-out/#comment-132</guid>
		<description>Yeah. As I scanned through the EduPunkO'sphere this morning I ended up wondering why the conversations weren't a bit more ... fun...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. As I scanned through the EduPunkO&#8217;sphere this morning I ended up wondering why the conversations weren&#8217;t a bit more &#8230; fun&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on EduPunk - all sold out? by John</title>
		<link>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/06/05/edupunk-all-sold-out/#comment-131</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/06/05/edupunk-all-sold-out/#comment-131</guid>
		<description>No surprise we're on the same wavelength.  Since writing my post, I've been reading a bit more and the whole "co-optation" bent surprises me.  If D2blackMoo makes a tool that fits...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No surprise we&#8217;re on the same wavelength.  Since writing my post, I&#8217;ve been reading a bit more and the whole &#8220;co-optation&#8221; bent surprises me.  If D2blackMoo makes a tool that fits&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Doing the dishes with TED by Dishes with Yochai at John Thomson: Thinking out loud</title>
		<link>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/04/23/doing-the-dishes-with-ted/#comment-125</link>
		<dc:creator>Dishes with Yochai at John Thomson: Thinking out loud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 02:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/04/23/doing-the-dishes-with-ted/#comment-125</guid>
		<description>[...] took a great suggestion this morning and did my dishes while watching Yochai Benkler&#8217;s TED talk on Open-source [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] took a great suggestion this morning and did my dishes while watching Yochai Benkler&#8217;s TED talk on Open-source [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on When convergence goes a bit nutty by doug</title>
		<link>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/02/19/when-convergence-goes-a-bit-nutty/#comment-123</link>
		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/02/19/when-convergence-goes-a-bit-nutty/#comment-123</guid>
		<description>Hey Ron,

I think you're right about "Best of YouTube" - it is "a bit nutty" in that the interface, at first glance at least, offers significantly &lt;em&gt;less&lt;/em&gt; than YouTube itself.

I do like &lt;em&gt;one&lt;/em&gt; idea behind it, though: taking a big set of information that someone else has put together, and re-visualizing it.  

A better example of this, I think, is something like &lt;a href="http://johnvey.com/features/deliciousdirector/" rel="nofollow"&gt;del.icio.us director&lt;/a&gt;, which takes your del.icio.us bookmarks, and gives you a whole new way to see, browse, and interact with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ron,</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right about &#8220;Best of YouTube&#8221; - it is &#8220;a bit nutty&#8221; in that the interface, at first glance at least, offers significantly <em>less</em> than YouTube itself.</p>
<p>I do like <em>one</em> idea behind it, though: taking a big set of information that someone else has put together, and re-visualizing it.  </p>
<p>A better example of this, I think, is something like <a href="http://johnvey.com/features/deliciousdirector/" rel="nofollow" onClick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/johnvey.com');">del.icio.us director</a>, which takes your del.icio.us bookmarks, and gives you a whole new way to see, browse, and interact with them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Doing the dishes with TED by doug</title>
		<link>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/04/23/doing-the-dishes-with-ted/#comment-122</link>
		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/04/23/doing-the-dishes-with-ted/#comment-122</guid>
		<description>Thanks Jeff and John!

You're right - the Photosynth demo is impressive. I really like how is he is presenting to a very tech-savvy group, and you can still hear jaws dropping in the audience.

John - I'll be sure to check out your suggestions. Thanks!

And as for radio - it was once my &lt;em&gt;constant&lt;/em&gt; companion. Sometimes, now that I have so much more control over what I want to hear and when I want to hear it, I miss &lt;a href="http://www.kcrw.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;my favorite radio station&lt;/a&gt;, which didn't let me pick the song, but was always full of new and exciting surprises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jeff and John!</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right - the Photosynth demo is impressive. I really like how is he is presenting to a very tech-savvy group, and you can still hear jaws dropping in the audience.</p>
<p>John - I&#8217;ll be sure to check out your suggestions. Thanks!</p>
<p>And as for radio - it was once my <em>constant</em> companion. Sometimes, now that I have so much more control over what I want to hear and when I want to hear it, I miss <a href="http://www.kcrw.com/" rel="nofollow" onClick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.kcrw.com');">my favorite radio station</a>, which didn&#8217;t let me pick the song, but was always full of new and exciting surprises.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Doing the dishes with TED by John</title>
		<link>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/04/23/doing-the-dishes-with-ted/#comment-121</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/04/23/doing-the-dishes-with-ted/#comment-121</guid>
		<description>I had never thought of doing something while doing the dishes, and I do plenty. TED talks are a great idea.

I'm with Jeff.  Photosynth is one of my favorite talks, especially when he remarks "I never thought I would ever receive that kind of reaction when I went to work for Microsoft."

If I remember right E.O. Wilson, Dan Dennet, and Jill Boldt Taylor were also good talks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had never thought of doing something while doing the dishes, and I do plenty. TED talks are a great idea.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with Jeff.  Photosynth is one of my favorite talks, especially when he remarks &#8220;I never thought I would ever receive that kind of reaction when I went to work for Microsoft.&#8221;</p>
<p>If I remember right E.O. Wilson, Dan Dennet, and Jill Boldt Taylor were also good talks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Doing the dishes with TED by Jeff Bohrer</title>
		<link>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/04/23/doing-the-dishes-with-ted/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Bohrer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/04/23/doing-the-dishes-with-ted/#comment-119</guid>
		<description>I too came across the TED archives a while ago and was amazed at the breadth and uniqueness of the topics.

One of my favorites is a demo of PhotoSynth. I don't even know how to describe it, but it's a new image retrieval and viewing system. Somewhat like PicLens in how you scroll through a series of images, but much more powerful.

&lt;b&gt;Blaise Aguera y Arcas: Jaw-dropping Photosynth demo&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;a href="http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/129" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/129&lt;/a&gt;

As for fun while doing dishes, I discovered this old technology called a radio. It can tune in frequencies on the FM radio band. I like the music, but I can't pick the songs it plays. Much like a podcast, you get what you get. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too came across the TED archives a while ago and was amazed at the breadth and uniqueness of the topics.</p>
<p>One of my favorites is a demo of PhotoSynth. I don&#8217;t even know how to describe it, but it&#8217;s a new image retrieval and viewing system. Somewhat like PicLens in how you scroll through a series of images, but much more powerful.</p>
<p><b>Blaise Aguera y Arcas: Jaw-dropping Photosynth demo</b><br />
<a href="http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/129" rel="nofollow" onClick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.ted.com');">http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/129</a></p>
<p>As for fun while doing dishes, I discovered this old technology called a radio. It can tune in frequencies on the FM radio band. I like the music, but I can&#8217;t pick the songs it plays. Much like a podcast, you get what you get. ;-)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Curious about copyright by doug</title>
		<link>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/04/10/curious-about-copyright/#comment-118</link>
		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/04/10/curious-about-copyright/#comment-118</guid>
		<description>Here's a link to &lt;a href="http://sniff.numachi.com/pages/tiOMERLYRE.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;When ‘omer Smote ‘is Bloomin’ Lyre&lt;/a&gt; - thanks Bruno!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a link to <a href="http://sniff.numachi.com/pages/tiOMERLYRE.html" rel="nofollow" onClick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/sniff.numachi.com');">When ‘omer Smote ‘is Bloomin’ Lyre</a> - thanks Bruno!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Curious about copyright by Bruno Browning</title>
		<link>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/04/10/curious-about-copyright/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruno Browning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/04/10/curious-about-copyright/#comment-117</guid>
		<description>I actually did contact University counsel on a closely related point several years ago, when I was writing some software on company time that I wanted to GPL. I was told that it was fine to do so provided that I got permission from my Dean/Director. Since CC is broadly speaking the same kind of thing as the GPL (a license for copyrighted materials) I would think that advice would apply here as well. Sadly, since intellectual property has become such a hot-button item these days it can be more difficult to get such approval.

For another angle on this whole subject, I recommend Rudyard Kipling's "When 'omer Smote 'is Bloomin' Lyre".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually did contact University counsel on a closely related point several years ago, when I was writing some software on company time that I wanted to GPL. I was told that it was fine to do so provided that I got permission from my Dean/Director. Since CC is broadly speaking the same kind of thing as the GPL (a license for copyrighted materials) I would think that advice would apply here as well. Sadly, since intellectual property has become such a hot-button item these days it can be more difficult to get such approval.</p>
<p>For another angle on this whole subject, I recommend Rudyard Kipling&#8217;s &#8220;When &#8216;omer Smote &#8216;is Bloomin&#8217; Lyre&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Curious about copyright by doug</title>
		<link>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/04/10/curious-about-copyright/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/04/10/curious-about-copyright/#comment-116</guid>
		<description>This has been an interesting discussion!

Sarah's comments provide good examples that can be matched up against the &lt;a href="http://www.uwsa.edu/fadmin/gapp/gapp27.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;UW System policy paper&lt;/a&gt; on copyright that Dorethea mentioned earlier. This policy paper describes 5 conditions that can be used to determine the ownership of copyrightable instructional materials: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;
1. No UW System or institutional support or involvement;
2. Minimal UW System or institutional support or involvement;
3. Substantial UW System or institutional support or involvement.
4. As an assigned duty or pursuant to a work-for-hire agreement;
5. With support from an extramural sponsor.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The projects that Sarah completed on her own time would clearly be examples of conditions 1 or 2 in the policy paper.

But it seems to me that pieces of Ron's initial example aren't so easy to plug into that policy. Take the instructional podcast that Ron mentions as an example.

Using the policy paper as a guide, you might say that podcast would be classified condition 2 - minimal support.

But, if the podcast is recorded in a campus recording studio, or with equipment purchased with university funds, you're now up to condition 3 - "Substantial support." The policy paper defines "substantial" way down at the bottom of the page:

&lt;blockquote&gt;"Substantial," as used in this policy, includes, for example, released time from regularly assigned duties; direct investment by the university of funds or staff, or the purchase of special equipment for the project; use of multimedia production personnel and facilities; or extraordinary use of computing resources.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This definition would also seem to cover the second half of Ron's example, where the podcast is distributed through a campus service or on a departmental server. And, the part that says "direct investment by the university of funds or staff" seems to say that any time an instructor works closely with an instructional technology consultant, you're already up to condition 3.

And, I'm sorry to say that once you get to condition 3, you run into the following

&lt;blockquote&gt;"Copyrightable instructional materials developed under the conditions identified in section I.B.3. of this policy paper are required to be the subject of a written agreement between the author and the chief administrative officer of the institution involved, or his or her designee, that equitably determines copyright and ownership rights.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Which, to my mind, is a bit much to ask if all you want to do is create a podcast!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been an interesting discussion!</p>
<p>Sarah&#8217;s comments provide good examples that can be matched up against the <a href="http://www.uwsa.edu/fadmin/gapp/gapp27.htm" rel="nofollow" onClick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.uwsa.edu');">UW System policy paper</a> on copyright that Dorethea mentioned earlier. This policy paper describes 5 conditions that can be used to determine the ownership of copyrightable instructional materials: </p>
<blockquote><p>
1. No UW System or institutional support or involvement;<br />
2. Minimal UW System or institutional support or involvement;<br />
3. Substantial UW System or institutional support or involvement.<br />
4. As an assigned duty or pursuant to a work-for-hire agreement;<br />
5. With support from an extramural sponsor.
</p></blockquote>
<p>The projects that Sarah completed on her own time would clearly be examples of conditions 1 or 2 in the policy paper.</p>
<p>But it seems to me that pieces of Ron&#8217;s initial example aren&#8217;t so easy to plug into that policy. Take the instructional podcast that Ron mentions as an example.</p>
<p>Using the policy paper as a guide, you might say that podcast would be classified condition 2 - minimal support.</p>
<p>But, if the podcast is recorded in a campus recording studio, or with equipment purchased with university funds, you&#8217;re now up to condition 3 - &#8220;Substantial support.&#8221; The policy paper defines &#8220;substantial&#8221; way down at the bottom of the page:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Substantial,&#8221; as used in this policy, includes, for example, released time from regularly assigned duties; direct investment by the university of funds or staff, or the purchase of special equipment for the project; use of multimedia production personnel and facilities; or extraordinary use of computing resources.</p></blockquote>
<p>This definition would also seem to cover the second half of Ron&#8217;s example, where the podcast is distributed through a campus service or on a departmental server. And, the part that says &#8220;direct investment by the university of funds or staff&#8221; seems to say that any time an instructor works closely with an instructional technology consultant, you&#8217;re already up to condition 3.</p>
<p>And, I&#8217;m sorry to say that once you get to condition 3, you run into the following</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Copyrightable instructional materials developed under the conditions identified in section I.B.3. of this policy paper are required to be the subject of a written agreement between the author and the chief administrative officer of the institution involved, or his or her designee, that equitably determines copyright and ownership rights.</p></blockquote>
<p>Which, to my mind, is a bit much to ask if all you want to do is create a podcast!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Curious about copyright by Sarah McDaniel</title>
		<link>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/04/10/curious-about-copyright/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah McDaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the third person??  I might have an interesting perspective on Ron's original question since I've moved from institution to institution recently, so this came up (informally, as we were sorting through what to do with my work... what needed a copy left (and what of that was my intellectual property), what should be taken with, and what needed to be created.  

When I left my previous employment, of course I left things required to run particular programs, data and materials collected under the auspices of the program, etc.  The professional articles and presentations I did were my own intellectual property, and I did them on my own time (if we define that as the work we do after 40 hours, which is a distinction I should make more often!).  But the conversation was also that most of the instructional materials (presentations, workshops) I designed were mine to keep or share, as they were my intellectual property.  This seems like the "policy over instructional materials" thing that Dorothea cited.  I'm not sure whether that officially applies to academic staff at either university, but I think that was the decision and conversation because it's the right thing to do.  For all practical purposes, another person cannot simply pick up these materials and reuse them anyway, as we all know.  As a professional, I summarized my work and shared those examples I thought could most help sustain programs and took the rest with a standing offer to share more if needed.  I don't think we (the 3-4 of us) always do a good job of defining our work as intellectual property, or of crediting the intellectual property of others who work in similar capacities.  

If you asked me what contracts I've signed or what the universities policies are about those things I've signed, I have to fess up that I sign what I'm given.  Usually, I'm too busy and it's an afterthought, and I haven't published all that much.   I do know librarians who are more activist about this.   I'm usually too relieved that I got  the product out the door or have made it through the decision to sign the contract.   And want to reclaim the hours I would spend sorting it out as my "own time."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the third person??  I might have an interesting perspective on Ron&#8217;s original question since I&#8217;ve moved from institution to institution recently, so this came up (informally, as we were sorting through what to do with my work&#8230; what needed a copy left (and what of that was my intellectual property), what should be taken with, and what needed to be created.  </p>
<p>When I left my previous employment, of course I left things required to run particular programs, data and materials collected under the auspices of the program, etc.  The professional articles and presentations I did were my own intellectual property, and I did them on my own time (if we define that as the work we do after 40 hours, which is a distinction I should make more often!).  But the conversation was also that most of the instructional materials (presentations, workshops) I designed were mine to keep or share, as they were my intellectual property.  This seems like the &#8220;policy over instructional materials&#8221; thing that Dorothea cited.  I&#8217;m not sure whether that officially applies to academic staff at either university, but I think that was the decision and conversation because it&#8217;s the right thing to do.  For all practical purposes, another person cannot simply pick up these materials and reuse them anyway, as we all know.  As a professional, I summarized my work and shared those examples I thought could most help sustain programs and took the rest with a standing offer to share more if needed.  I don&#8217;t think we (the 3-4 of us) always do a good job of defining our work as intellectual property, or of crediting the intellectual property of others who work in similar capacities.  </p>
<p>If you asked me what contracts I&#8217;ve signed or what the universities policies are about those things I&#8217;ve signed, I have to fess up that I sign what I&#8217;m given.  Usually, I&#8217;m too busy and it&#8217;s an afterthought, and I haven&#8217;t published all that much.   I do know librarians who are more activist about this.   I&#8217;m usually too relieved that I got  the product out the door or have made it through the decision to sign the contract.   And want to reclaim the hours I would spend sorting it out as my &#8220;own time.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Curious about copyright by John</title>
		<link>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/04/10/curious-about-copyright/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dorthea: thanks for that point of clarification on CC being non-revocable.  I wonder though, since that point isn't clear when you choose your license, do many creators know about it?
Also, just to be clear, I was thinking more of planning ahead.  If you make an original, but assign rights on the derivative work, as far as I know you keep your rights in the original.
Copyright and licensing is complicated, but fun stuff :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dorthea: thanks for that point of clarification on CC being non-revocable.  I wonder though, since that point isn&#8217;t clear when you choose your license, do many creators know about it?<br />
Also, just to be clear, I was thinking more of planning ahead.  If you make an original, but assign rights on the derivative work, as far as I know you keep your rights in the original.<br />
Copyright and licensing is complicated, but fun stuff :)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Curious about copyright by Peter Gorman</title>
		<link>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/04/10/curious-about-copyright/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be chagrined to see a university service require assignment of copyright as a condition of service. But to answer the question as posed, if the terms of service require it, and you accept those terms, then you've assigned copyright, period. It's just like so many publishers' agreements. But I don't see why the university service would find it necessary, or even desirable given our mission to promote knowledge,  to make that requirement. As Dorothea pointed out, library services like MINDS@UW and UW Digital Collections ask for permission, not property rights. When downstream users ask for permission to reuse something in our collections, we send them to the copyright holder.

We have, on rare occasions, had someone challenge our right to make something available in the Digital Collections, even when the depositor asserted to us they had cleared the rights. In each case, we immediately removed the item from access until the issue was resolved, and  that took care of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be chagrined to see a university service require assignment of copyright as a condition of service. But to answer the question as posed, if the terms of service require it, and you accept those terms, then you&#8217;ve assigned copyright, period. It&#8217;s just like so many publishers&#8217; agreements. But I don&#8217;t see why the university service would find it necessary, or even desirable given our mission to promote knowledge,  to make that requirement. As Dorothea pointed out, library services like <a href="mailto:MINDS@UW">MINDS@UW</a> and UW Digital Collections ask for permission, not property rights. When downstream users ask for permission to reuse something in our collections, we send them to the copyright holder.</p>
<p>We have, on rare occasions, had someone challenge our right to make something available in the Digital Collections, even when the depositor asserted to us they had cleared the rights. In each case, we immediately removed the item from access until the issue was resolved, and  that took care of it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Curious about copyright by Dorothea Salo</title>
		<link>http://unionblend.uniblogs.org/2008/04/10/curious-about-copyright/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorothea Salo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that's not completely true, John. If you grant a "non-revocable" right to someone over a piece of intellectual property you own, you can't just yank it back. &lt;a href="http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#What_if_I_change_my_mind.3F" rel="nofollow"&gt;According to CC&lt;/a&gt;, a CC license is non-revocable, so someone using your work that you have CC-licensed should be fine even if you change your mind about the license.

(The sticky bit is proof. If you remove the CC license indicator from your work, and then sue a user, it would be the user's burden to show you ever CC-licensed the work.)

Derivative works get sticky as well. If you make a work, sign over all rights to someone else (as, for example, with a publisher's copyright-transfer agreement), and THEN make a derivative work, YOU HAVE INFRINGED on a copyright owned by someone else, even though you were the original creator!

Copyright is tough. It's worthwhile to seek help!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that&#8217;s not completely true, John. If you grant a &#8220;non-revocable&#8221; right to someone over a piece of intellectual property you own, you can&#8217;t just yank it back. <a href="http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#What_if_I_change_my_mind.3F" rel="nofollow" onClick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/wiki.creativecommons.org');">According to CC</a>, a CC license is non-revocable, so someone using your work that you have CC-licensed should be fine even if you change your mind about the license.</p>
<p>(The sticky bit is proof. If you remove the CC license indicator from your work, and then sue a user, it would be the user&#8217;s burden to show you ever CC-licensed the work.)</p>
<p>Derivative works get sticky as well. If you make a work, sign over all rights to someone else (as, for example, with a publisher&#8217;s copyright-transfer agreement), and THEN make a derivative work, YOU HAVE INFRINGED on a copyright owned by someone else, even though you were the original creator!</p>
<p>Copyright is tough. It&#8217;s worthwhile to seek help!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Curious about copyright by John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not make it 4 readers :)

I'm also not a lawyer, but when you're the creator and owner of a copyrighted work, you have the right to change the terms as you see fit.  Obviously, putting something out as creative commons and then taking those permissions away runs counter to the kind of openness I think we'd all like to promote--but I'm pretty sure you could do it.

One way around this would be to upload a piece or derivative of the work to the service.  That way you still have a different work that you can grant permissions in any way you see fit.

And I'll echo Dorthea's invite to tomorrow's event.  As I understand it, Creative Commons will be a big part of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not make it 4 readers :)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also not a lawyer, but when you&#8217;re the creator and owner of a copyrighted work, you have the right to change the terms as you see fit.  Obviously, putting something out as creative commons and then taking those permissions away runs counter to the kind of openness I think we&#8217;d all like to promote&#8211;but I&#8217;m pretty sure you could do it.</p>
<p>One way around this would be to upload a piece or derivative of the work to the service.  That way you still have a different work that you can grant permissions in any way you see fit.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll echo Dorthea&#8217;s invite to tomorrow&#8217;s event.  As I understand it, Creative Commons will be a big part of it.</p>
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